evansmiller:

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evansmiller:

National Intimate Partner & Sexual Violence Survey 2010

Nearly 1 in 5 Women in U.S. Survey Say They Have Been Sexually Assaulted

I took the data from the NISVS report’s 12 month table and highlighted two relevant stats. The NISVS files female-on-male rape under Other Sexual Violence. It’s also worth nothing that the numbers for Sexual coercion, Unwanted sexual contact, and non-contact unwanted sexual experiences are pretty similar.

Yay Feminist science!

I think you need a better understanding of statistics.  The numbers you highlighted are statistics for the past twelve months.  The survey also covers lifetime victimization of sexual violence, which you omitted.  The survey was only given to people over the age of eighteen, and many people experience rape during childhood/adolescence, so the ‘past twelve month’ stat is less meaningful than the lifetime stats.   the lifetime stats more accurately reflect how many men & women experience sexual violence in their lifetimes.  (If you look at fig. 2.2 you will see how many women experience sexual violence before age 18.)

Furthermore, you should also note that “made to penetrate” doesn’t necessarily mean “female-on-male rape” and that  ”The majority of male rape victims (93.3%) reported only male perpetrators. For three of the other forms of sexual violence, a majority of male victims reported only female perpetrators: being made to penetrate (79.2%), sexual coercion (83.6%), and unwanted sexual contact (53.1%). For non-contact unwanted sexual experiences, approximately half of male victims (49.0%) reported only male perpetrators and more than one-third (37.7%) reported only female perpetrators (data not shown).”

It’s definitely complicated, but you should go back and try to understand the statistics if you want to learn about this!  

Your reblog is a great example of why I should have been more dutiful when writing up a description for the photo. Egg on my face! But this is a great opportunity to dig into the meat and potatoes of the NISVS and do some hardcore ‘splainin. 

My intention with the chart was to examine the gender bias against men within the survey itself. And to illuminate the fact that “male rape” was filed away under “other sexual violence” i.e. according to the survey, it isn’t rape. 

I intentionally omitted the lifetime victimization data. My rationale is that the ‘past twelve month’ stat would actually be more accurate than the lifetime stat. Why?

Simply put: the data in the twelve month stat has verifiably, actually, measurably happened, according to the CDC. Unless they’ve got a crystal ball down in Druid Hills, I’d much prefer to stick with what can be measured in place of what ifs. 

I did make a mistake by forgetting to clarify that being “made to penetrate” doesn’t necessary mean “female-on-male rape” …or did I?

As you said: 

The majority of male rape victims (93.3%) reported only male perpetrators. [P.24]

To take a closer look at this number, lets see how the CDC defines rape.

How NISVS Measured Sexual Violence [P.17]

• Rape is defined as any completed or attempted unwanted vaginal (for women), oral, or anal penetration through the use of physical force (such as being pinned or held down, or by the use of violence) or threats to physically harm and includes times when the victim was drunk, high, drugged, or passed out and unable to consent.Rape is separated into three types, completed forced penetration, attempted forced penetration, and completed alcohol or drug facilitated penetration.

• Among women,rape includes vaginal,oral,or anal penetration by a male using his penis. It also includes vaginal or anal penetration by a male or female using their fingers or an object.

• Among men, rape includes oral or anal penetration by a male using his penis. It also includes anal penetration by a male or female using their fingers or an object.

So, male rape victims (according to the CDC) can only be defined as rape victims if they were penetrated PERIOD. It doesn’t measure envelopment i.e. female-on-male rape AS rape. 

Any man who was raped by a woman, going by the definition of the survey, wouldn’t show up under the Rape category, they would show up under Other Sexual Violence. So it would be expected that 93.3% of male rape victims had a male rapist, because their definition of male rape excludes women from being perpetrators.

Let’s look at the CDC’s definition of penetration.

• Being made to penetrate someone else includes times when the victim was made to, or there was an attempt to make them, sexually penetrate someone without the victim’s consent because the victim was physically forced (such as being pinned or held down, or by the use of violence) or threatened with physical harm, or when the victim was drunk, high, drugged, or passed out and unable to consent.

• Among women, this behavior reflects a female being made to orally penetrate another female’s vagina or anus.

• Among men, being made to penetrate someone else could have occurred in multiple ways: being made to vaginally penetrate a female using one’s own penis; orally penetrating a female’s vagina or anus; anally penetrating a male or female; or being made to receive oral sex from a male or female. It also includes female perpetrators attempting to force male victims to penetrate them, though it did not happen.

Is your mind blown yet? 

“…being made to vaginally penetrate a female using one’s own penis;”

Then a few sentences later: 

“It also includes female perpetrators attempting to force male victims to penetrate them, though it did not happen.”

But you just told us it could happen, CDC! Being made to vaginally penetrate a female using one’s own penis counts as male rape! (Not by YOUR definitions, of course.)

Those two sentences are two different ways of saying the same damn thing. 

“For three of the other forms of sexual violence, a majority of male victims reported only female perpetrators: being made to penetrate (79.2%), sexual coercion (83.6%), and unwanted sexual contact (53.1%).” [P.24]

So, keeping in mind that the CDC is defining male rape victims in such a way that they can only be raped by other men, and also keeping in mind that being “Made to Penetrate” really should be classified as rape, I can only come to the startling conclusion that:

• Men and women are raped at roughly equal rates. 
• Male sexual assaults are perpetrated by women 79.2% of the time.
• The 2010 NISVS report is biased against male victims of rape and attempts to sweep them under the statistical rug, as it were. 

(Note: The “Being made to penetrate” definition includes a man being forced to vaginally penetrate a woman with either his penis or his tongue.  It doesn’t make a distinction between the two. If you want to classify both as rape, then women rape men, according to the survey, 79.2% of the time.)

I think that covers all of the objections in your reblog. In the future I’m going to try and be more thorough with posts like this. All of this data is stuff I should have published the first time around. Any more constructive criticism is more than welcome! I’m sure I missed something in this morass of data. 

OK this is the last time I”m responding bc I don’t want anyone else to have to read this crap.  

I don’t think you can ignore things that happened during childhood, to men or women. No one just imagines something like that happening to them, I definitely remember what happened me.  Statutory & other sort of rape of children are extremely common & real and I don’t know why you’d want to brush that under the rug.

although it’s confusingly worded those two sentences do mean different things, I think.  They definitely should’ve written it better, but being made to penetrate someone is not the same as being made to penetrate the rapist.

I do agree that the definition of rape should be expanded!  But I also think you need to look at who writes the definitions of rape, before you say “Yay feminist science!” (Also it’s sociology not science lolz)  Historically, it hasn’t been women or feminists. For the past century I think it’s meant vaginal penetration, (though it varied widely in many states) but many feminists have been working to expand the definition, and a big breakthrough happened last year to include male victims of penetrative rape as a result of action by the Women’s Law Project.  http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/06/justice/rape-definition-revised

So yeah, feminists are working to increase visibility of male victims.  The definition of rape hasn’t yet changed to include anything beyond penetration, but perhaps someday they will make sure it does.  

*oh also you didn’t factor in male victims of penetrative rape into the 79.2% stat.

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evansmiller:

National Intimate Partner & Sexual Violence Survey 2010

Nearly 1 in 5 Women in U.S. Survey Say They Have Been Sexually Assaulted

I took the data from the NISVS report’s 12 month table and highlighted two relevant stats. The NISVS files female-on-male rape under Other Sexual Violence. It’s also worth nothing that the numbers for Sexual coercion, Unwanted sexual contact, and non-contact unwanted sexual experiences are pretty similar.

Yay Feminist science!

I think you need a better understanding of statistics.  The numbers you highlighted are statistics for the past twelve months.  The survey also covers lifetime victimization of sexual violence, which you omitted.  The survey was only given to people over the age of eighteen, and many people experience rape during childhood/adolescence, so the ‘past twelve month’ stat is less meaningful than the lifetime stats.   the lifetime stats more accurately reflect how many men & women experience sexual violence in their lifetimes.  (If you look at fig. 2.2 you will see how many women experience sexual violence before age 18.)

Furthermore, you should also note that “made to penetrate” doesn’t necessarily mean “female-on-male rape” and that  ”The majority of male rape victims (93.3%) reported only male perpetrators. For three of the other forms of sexual violence, a majority of male victims reported only female perpetrators: being made to penetrate (79.2%), sexual coercion (83.6%), and unwanted sexual contact (53.1%). For non-contact unwanted sexual experiences, approximately half of male victims (49.0%) reported only male perpetrators and more than one-third (37.7%) reported only female perpetrators (data not shown).”

It’s definitely complicated, but you should go back and try to understand the statistics if you want to learn about this!  

edit: I do think it’s v important to raise awareness of male rape victims and provide specialized services for them.  But this does not need to be framed in a way that distorts statistics or attacks feminists rather than helping actual victims.

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